My first official 1-on-1 interview with Harry was back in 2019 right before the Brothers final (click here to go back in time and check it out!). Since then, Harry has grown into a mainstay in the Reds forward pack, and one of the best number 8s in the country. His hard work and experience culminated last year in being named as Wallabies captain!
Yeah, we've been tracking okay at the moment. Obviously, we would have liked to have a few more wins than what we have had so far, We had a really good performance against Blues a couple of weeks ago, which gave the boys a lot of confidence, but obviously it was a tough loss to Fiji on the weekend. And we have a pretty tough remaining four game, so we have to play some really good footy to put ourselves in a good finals position.
What's been some of the highlights of the Red season so far for you personally?
I guess for me personally, it might have been beating the Highlanders over in Dunedin, for the first time in probably 10 or 12 years. For me, that was the first time I've ever captained the Reds. So it was pretty cool to win that day and especially while missing a fair few of our really good players.
And I guess another highlight was seeing the boys smash the Blues at home. That was such a big win and just the energy in the place afterwards was awesome.
What do you think that will be the team's biggest battle looking forward to the finals?
I'd say next week and this week against the Waratahs. It’s always a tough grudge match, but hopefully we should be able to get the win. They're a tough team and then into the Brumbies the week after.
We've got an ongoing battle with them and it's a battle we've honestly been losing over the last few years, so it's a really good opportunity for the boys to win that battle and it'll give us a lot of momentum going on to the Hurricanes and then the Fijian Drua at home to finish off.
I can't wait until the last two home games. I'll be there at Suncorp, cheering you on.
Yep. Thanks, Tommy. I'll be there playing, too, finally!
Awesome! Can't wait! I’d love to chat about your experience with the Wallabies last year. You led the team through a fantastic European tour at the end of last year. What were your personal highlights of that tour?
Yeah, it was obviously a really enjoyable tour. It was my first ever spring tour and I guess to be captaining was really special. I think that win against England at Twickenham is something I won't be able to go past as a personal and team highlight from that trip, to be captain, the Wallabies winning at Twickenham against England was really special and just the way we found a way to win there at the end was awesome. And then, even our last game against Ireland, who'd be probably one of the best teams in the world, to have an opportunity to beat them with a couple of minutes to go... obviously it wasn't a highlight because we lost, but that just gave us more belief as a team to know how far we've come.
What was it like when you first heard the news that you would become a Wallabies captain?
Yeah, it was a pretty unbelievable feeling. It was something I definitely didn't expect, so when it was announced, I was trying to get my head around it pretty quickly and then once you hear that, it's about how can I do my job for the team from there and seek a lot of advice from the senior members of the team. They were so supportive of me and it really helped me grow into that role, because obviously at the start, I was quite new to “captaining” and being in that situation. So it was something I felt like I improved every week and grew into, but definitely took me by surprise. Yeah, it was such an honour.
That actually links to one of the other questions I had prepared, which is... What's some advice from a mentor or a friend that has helped you over the last year or so?
Hmmm. I've been pretty fortunate over the last year to be able to speak to so many special people and get advice. It's been nice to hear Reds old boys when you have people such as John Eales, Michael Lynagh, some of the greatest ever players of the game of rugby to be giving me advice, through the good times and tough times. What probably sums those two people up was when we got lost by 60 in Argentina, when it was a pretty low time and a tough time to be captain, that was when those two both reached out to me and I just remember, Ealesy giving me advice of just reflecting on the game about how everyone was feeling before, at post and during and just if you can take any learnings from that. So next time, if you feel the team's feeling a bit off or something like that, you can take your learnings from there and improve. I think that really sums them up, as human beings, not... I guess, just messaging in good times, they're really looking out for you when it's a bit tougher than, I guess, when it's a nice win against England.
Obviously, when you representing Wallabies, you're travelling quite a lot. You're spending a lot of time in different countries, different states, different cities. So when you spend a couple of weeks here in Brisbane, even though you're not sleeping in your own bed, just having the normal, I guess, familiarities, training here at Ballymore always make you feel a little bit more comfortable and I know the boys really enjoyed their time here.
And I think it set us up for a good year, before the first few games against Wales and Georgia and the boys had a great result there too. And the boys get excited to get to see Tommy at trainings.
What else have you been learning about life and leadership recently?
Well, I guess, for me, the more I learn about leadership, it's just more probably about being organised in your life on and off the fields. So when you are in training, you can lead by example, you can do all the little things correctly and I guess one thing about leadership is making sure your own backyard is sorted and that's something which I really make sure I do have sorted. So when I'm in here at training, I'm in here to train, I'm here to improve and I’m trying to influence boys around me to do the same. Even at the moment when I'm injured, I still have an opportunity to come in with a positive mindset around the boys and help in ways that I can, even though I'm not out there with them, going to battle. Any way I can help them off the field, with a bit of positivity or just a bit of advice, to make sure you’re always there for them.
What are your favourite things to do outside of rugby, at the moment, that take your mind off the game?
At the moment is probably a key time to find those things, because normally I'd say playing some golf. I love my golf and I’m a very competitive person, so that always gives me my competitive fix away from rugby. But having a broken arm has meant that my off days haven't been as enjoyable as they probably normally are, when I'm trying to take some of the boys' money on the golf course. But a lot more time for me has been spent at the cafe with my partner, or with my parents. My dad works at home a bit when he's in town, so he and I have got to catch up quite regularly, which is always nice... And I've got a little dog, Bam-Bam, too. So I try and walk it regularly and it's quite easy to take your mind away from footy or whatever bad things are happening in your life or whatever, when Bam-Bam runs up to you, nearly weeing out of excitement every time it gets to see you. So they’re probably my two things, which are keep me busy and keeping my mind sane at the moment, when what I want to be doing is out there playing footy and training with the team.
Thanks, heaps, Harry, for making time. I know you've got a lot of responsibility at the moment... hoping for a speedy recovery and to see you out there before the season's done.
Thank you very much for the interview, Tommy. I really appreciate it and I look forward to seeing you at the next home game when I’m hopefully running out there, getting a win and getting a fist bump after the game with you.