An Awesome Conversation with Queenslands Kalani Thomas

Last week, for my final interview of the year, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Reds halfback, Kalani Thomas. At 21 years old, Kalani has more than proven he’s one of Queensland’s rising stars. We got to chat about many things, including his rugby journey, his thoughts on where the Reds are at and what it was like winning the Super Rugby AU final in 2021. (He was just 19 at the time!)

I enjoyed catching up with the hard-working halfback and I’m sure you’ll enjoy reading our conversation! 

Hey Kalani, thanks heaps for making time to catch up!

The last few Reds international games were super exciting for me. How did you find playing in the overseas games recently?

For the Tonga game and the Wales game, I was actually injured, so I didn't play those games. I had a stress fracture that I got during the season, but I played through until we finished against a Chiefs, when we lost. Then I went for scans the following week and found out there was a crack in my foot. So I missed those games, but I was a part of the Panasonic game.

It was cool getting to Japan and experiencing a different culture… and it was great to connect with the new club players that came in. It was cool to get the win too. They came out firing, they were “up” for that game. It was just awesome to be on tour and be amongst the boys, get the win and bring the shield back home.

What did you love most about Japan?

The food was awesome. Especially the convenience stores over there, you can go there anytime, get fried chicken... sandwiches, it’s awesome. The food over there was one of my favourite things and it's also so cheap. And just the respect that the Japanese show. You walk the streets and there's no rubbish, which is crazy for a big city like that, Tokyo especially. 

What was it like going through rehab? And what did you learn from the experience?

It was tough. That was my first proper injury that I've had throughout my footy career. So I was out for three months, which is nothing compared to an ACL injury, or something like that. So it was different experience for me. I thought it was going to be pretty cool, having time off footy, but it was actually frustrating mentally, especially a month into my rehab. When I got the cast off, I was walking fine and all I wanted to do was get back on the footy field, because I thought I was sweet. But just having that awareness and discipline to keep up your rehab, especially when you go home, you got to do all those little exercises, just to get you on the front foot, which is something that I hadn't had to do yet.

Even keeping up with my injury prevention, I would say doing the exercises today just helps keep me from getting injured again. And it was something that I enjoyed. It was good process, just to learn and do something else that was pretty tough.

This is Red Rugby Rules, so I’d love to ask about the 2024 Super Rugby season. How do you feel like the team progressed? Also, how are you feeling about how things are tracking leading to next year?

I think we started off well. We played the Tahs round one, beat them, then went down to magic round in Melbourne and just lost to the Hurricanes in the extra time. Then we came back to Suncorp and played the Chiefs and we ended up winning. So it was a bit of a good start for us, to be able to go toe to toe with the Kiwi teams. But then we sort of hit a flat patch in the middle of the season. We had three losses, one to Moana, the Brumbies and Force, on the trot, which wasn't the best. And then we ended up going into our buy round, which I think was a big refresher for the boys, because we came back and we had three Kiwi teams. So we had the Highlanders, which was a good game at Suncorp, where I think it was 31 - nil. Then we just lost to the Blues the following week, when they scored on full time…

And then we went over to the ‘Saders and beat them over in Christchurch. That was probably one of the best feelings I've had since the Super Rugby AU final in 2021! It was pretty cool. But then to make the quarterfinals and lose to the Chiefs for the second year in a row, that was pretty tough… just the way we played in that first half and getting a hiding like that in the quarter final, we know we're so much better and I think that's brought us in good stead for the 2025 season. We just need to keep at it, especially in the quarter finals, when the pressures on. But I know the boys and Kiss and the coaches are super excited. We're getting a lot of new boys coming from the Rebels and so I think next year will be awesome.

Obviously the 2021 Super Rugby final was a great experience for all of us Reds fans. What were your highlights from that experience?

I think the crowd was a big part of the environment. I think there were 42,000 people at the game and I was a just young 18-19, year old. Playing in front of a crowd like that, those are things that you dream of and to get the win in the fashion that we did, with O'Connor scoring that last try on the final play, you dream of those moments, winning on the final play and the celebrations afterwards. I remember that like it was yesterday, especially that feeling. There's not many times where you get to replicate that feeling outside of footy. So it was awesome.

I love hearing about people's rugby journeys. How old were you when you first started playing and what inspired you to play?

Well, I was one of those kids that always had a ball in my hand. I was real energetic - I couldn't keep still. And my dad, he always watched the footy, so I must have gravitated towards rugby. I started footy when I was four or five, at the Springfield Hawks and I've just been playing ever since then. I went to school at Ipswich Grammar in grade eight, I moved there through a scholarship and that opened my pathway to the Reds. If I’d stayed at the school I was at previously, which was Springfield Anglican, they were in the second division. They weren't in the GPS system, which is “div one” and playing at IGS, just opened so many doors. It got me into the Reds pathway. And then I was just lucky enough to make the Academy. Then I had one year in Academy with the Reds and then I was In the top squad in 2021, which was my first season.

What are your goals for the future, both in rugby, and also personally?

For rugby, definitely, I have a the biggest belief that the boys here and the team that we have, the coaches that we have, can win the championship. Although, I feel like you wouldn't show up if you didn't believe that. That’s probably my number one goal for rugby. And personally… It's probably just to be more present or more, yeah, more happy, I guess. I feel like footy can be a stressful time sometimes, especially with the pressure and the outside noise. So it's good that I have a sports psychologist, where I can just talk to her through things and just get stuff off my chest. That's probably one personal goal, just to stay present.

What's your favourite post game feed? 

There's a Maccas that’s right up the road from my house. So I stop there on the way home and I love that. That's the truth. So my go to meal is, 24 nuggets and a large Quarter Pounder meal with large fries and just a water. That's pretty much it. I'm real basic.

Thanks Kalani for making time. I’m cheering you and all the team on into 2025. Keep training hard, I’m with you all the way!

Sweet brother, all good. Thank you!

Can You Even Lift Bro? A Conversation with Massimo De Lutiis

Today, I had a great chat with Queensland Prop Massimo De Lutiis. (He has an Italian name by the way!) In between his field and gym training, we had a catch up about his rugby journey, his experiences with the Reds so far as well as his approach to training during his rehab journey this year.

Massimo’s season Super Rugby with the Reds this year was cut short when he suffered a serious quad injury, but he turned it into a positive by working on what he could during his downtime. Soon after recovering, he broke the teams bench press record! (Check out a video of that lift here.) During his games against the Wildknights and the international fixtures against Wales and Tonga, Massimo has shown he is a player to watch next year and beyond!

I hope you enjoy reading our conversation as much as I enjoyed having it!

Hey Massimo, thanks for taking time to catch up in the middle of a busy training schedule.

No worries, it’s good meeting you.

Do people call you Mass?

Yeah, all the boys call me Mass. Obviously it’s short for Massimo, but sort of has that double meaning, I like it, it's pretty good.

How's all the running going during preseason?

Yeah, coming back from that quad injury definitely was tough, especially with all the running, but I think the heat at the moment is what's getting the big boys tired quicker. But that's really good, I think that's obviously what the preseason's for, earning that fitness and obviously we’ll just keep on running, just getting the k’s in the legs.

What do you love the most about playing for the Queensland Reds?

I just love the culture here. All the boys are so inclusive and I think just the crowd as well, they're really supportive. All the staff here really know their stuff, they’re really knowledgeable and they’re just great at coaching.

Can you tell us about your rugby journey? How old were you when you started playing and what inspired you to play?

Yeah, it's a pretty good story actually.

I started in grade six and started in the D team. And to be fair, I did want to quit. I was really upset. I was like, “I’m not good at this”. I was, like, a terrible player and I wasn't a very sporty kid at all. I was very closed in, on my own all the time. I wasn't, like, any bit athletic. But yeah, after my first training, I got put in the D's, I went home and I was like, "Dad, I want to quit, I don't do this anymore". But he said, "just keep pushing through... just don't stop". "Just keep doing no matter what team, you just keep going". And so I slowly made my way up through the ranks for the year. The next year, I was in the C team, then the B team and then the A's and then the First XV. And I remember that year I wanted to make that team, I locked myself in the basement, put my moved my bed, spent all my money a gym set, worked out, like, every day, I didn't see any friends or anything. And then I shot up in size and got a little bit more athletic and thenI made the First XV that year. And I thought to myself, that really just shows, no matter what you work at, you can get there. After that, I made the development teams and then Aussie under 20s and then this, then Aussie A's. Considering where I came from, it was just crazy.

What's your favourite post game meal?

Wow, that's tough. I love sushi, but if I'm really like hanging for a feed, it's probably either pizza or like a mixed kebab snack pack I reckon, with chips and all that. I love that, probably mixed snack pack a little more. They're good. 

You suffered a pretty major injury earlier this year. What was your approach during rehab?

Yeah, well, I had obviously had that quad injury. I think, I talked to Hayley [the team sports psychologist] and she really helped me out. I feel like looking back, I probably could have gotten more ahead and thought “what's the next job now”? It took me a while, one or two weeks, to be like, “oh, this actually has happened”. I was really a bit down in the dumps for a little while, but yeah, all the boys got around me and so then I started to focus on what's next, get my core stronger, or like that bench press.

That's pretty much the outcome of what that injury did. I did, bench like, four times a week and got that little goal for myself.

You've been overseas to play with the Reds, in both Japan and Tonga. What was your favourite travelling experience?

Tonga was good, I really loved it. I really enjoyed the weather there was really nice. But I'm gonna say Japan came out on top just… All the crowds, they're especially interactive. They just do stuff really different over there. Everything's like, really convenient and rugby-wise, they're really big on rugby over there. So is Tonga as well. But yeah, I really enjoyed Japan.

Thanks for taking time to catch up. There's lots happening and cheering you on all the way through to the 2025 season.

Love that. That was good. Good we could do this, thanks Tom.

A Conversation with Queenslands Own Zac Henry

Last week, I had the pleasure of catching up with Queenslands Isaac Henry, or Zac, as he's known around Ballymore. It was our second official catch-up for my blog - you can read my first interview with him here. As we caught up this time, Zac was relaxed, calm and yet focused as he described his rugby journey, as well as how the Reds are tracking through pre-season.

Zac's journey in recent years has been challenging, as he’s had an unlucky run with injuries. It seems clear to me that he’s in a very good space now and has grown mentally stronger while going through a tough rehab journey this year. He shared some lessons that he’s learnt that will hold anyone in good stead that is going through a tough time.

I, for one, will be following his journey and his expected return closely next year!

Hey Zac, thanks heaps for making time to chat!

How do you feel the Reds are travelling at the moment? There seems to be a bit of a buzz amongst the squad, after the Japan trip.

Yeah, always good to chat to you Tommy. (I’ve always got time for your mate, just want to make that clear.) First question, yeah, there is definitely a buzz and the boys are all super excited.

I think last year was a pretty good year in terms of some of our attack and other things and I think we've really grown as a team. We’ve obviously got a young squad still, but I think it's there's a lot of excitement around the boys at the moment.

Yesterday was the first day of pre-season, there’s definitely a buzz.

Pre-season is always exciting! I know the forwards hate it though!

Yeah, they always hate it.

How are you going personally at the moment?

Yeah, going good.

Rehabs, tracking along nicely. I think I'm eight months through my rehab now and probably have a couple more to go. I start running in three weeks, the strengths back up, body's feeling good and the mind’s even better. So I'm pretty excited for some footy around the corner.

That’s good to hear. I want to see you back to your best soon.

I love hearing about peoples rugby journeys. How old were you when you started playing the game? Also, what inspired you to start playing?

Sure, good question. I think I started when I was four, maybe just turning five. Reason for it was my mom was sick of me running around the house. She needed to find an outlet for me to go and run and just get rid of some energy and the closest sporting club to us was rugby union, the Kenmore Bears which was rugby union. We went down when I was four and never looked back. Union wasn't really a sport in our family until I just stumbled across it back then. It was just pure luck that that was the closest sporting club to us.

Can you describe your journey from your junior club to the Reds?

Yeah, I obviously started at the Kenmore Bears, I think I played five or six years there…

and then as I got to high school age, I went to BBC [Brisbane Boys College], played rugby there for GPS from grade 8 to 12, then I graduated in 2016, jumped to UQ [University of Queensland] for a year, which was great and then finally made the switch to Wests. I think Wests was just a really good club for me at the time, it was close to home, really good people. I still love playing there whenever I'm able to.

And then, I went down to Canberra, actually, in 2020, played a little bit at the Tuggeranong Vikings, in development with the Brum[bies]s, just crafting away and then the opportunity came to come back to Brisbane and to the Reds. My mum was a little bit unwell at the time, so I thought that was a great opportunity for me to come back and be closer to home.

And now I’ve been here for the last four years, it's been it's been turbulent, but I love it. I'm super blessed and grateful to do what I do. You know there's ups and downs, but that's kind of life I guess, you know, you've just got to find your way and figure it out Tom.

I saw a video online of you playing 10 for your high school. How did you end up transitioning to center? Do you still prefer that position the most?

Yeah, I played 10, growing up from pretty much when I started, when the positions all started and then I jumped to center in 2018 and it turned out I just really liked the contact and being a little bit wider. I was still able to do a lot of what I was doing at 10, but sort of run a little bit more and be a little bit more involved in the contacts, which I love about the game. So I think that's why I moved.

And then I think the body probably helps, getting a little bit bigger. And I definitely have fun in the centers, I probably prefer it, but I've still got that option. I think it's good just for the skill set, you learn a lot about kicking, passing, running, reading the game, by playing at 10. There's a lot of things you probably wouldn't think about if you're playing in the center as well. I was probably pretty fortunate that I got to play 10, learning that side of the game and then transitioning with all that I'd learned.

What are some things you've learned through your recent rehab journey?

Sure. Mate, I've learned a lot to be honest, it's been a tough period. I'd say it's probably been the toughest period I've been through in my life.

I think the lessons I've learned would be to just take it day by day, not focus too far ahead on the outcome or the results. I think that you can get a little bit frustrated and anxious about what's to come. So I've really tried hard to practice being present and just doing what I can in the moment. That's a big thing for me.

And then also, I think it just brings perspective. I've had a lot of opportunity to reflect on where I am, how I've got here, my family, the people that have supported me and I think I'm probably a lot better with my mental side of things now, with the road I've had. I think everything happens for a reason, so I'm blessed to be in a position I am and I don't take it for granted any day.

There were plenty of periods where I was pretty bit down and out, but I think it takes a lot of courage and a lot of strength to pull yourself out of those moments and learn from it too.

Can you tell us something about yourself that not many people know?

That's a good question… Actually, here you go… 10 pin bowling. Big fan. Love it. I reckon it’s so much fun.

I did a lot of 10 pin bowling parties as a kid and I tried it again, actually, on my recent trip to the US with my fiance and my mum and I loved it. I thought it was the best thing ever. So I'd say that's a little bit of a passion that's been sparking.

I've started a bowling team, got some customized shirts and things.

That's good mate, that’s beautiful.

There you go, no one's heard that before Tom. First time going public with that!

No worries. Thanks for taking time to chat, Zac! I'm sure you'll be back to playing your best rugby soon. I'll be cheering you on all the way.

I appreciate that. Thanks for having me on Tom. Again, always got time for you. So if you you need anything, just let me know, I'll be there.

Wallabies Hub Scoop: A Conversation with Halfback Tate McDermott

The second interview I got to do during the Wallabies hub was with one of my favourite players, Queensland co-captain, Tate McDermott. I had an awesome conversation about what the 2 day Wallabies hub had been like, it’s like working with Joe Schmitt. I also asked him some questions about the Reds super rugby season.

Every time I catch up with Tate, I get 1,000 reasons why Queensland rugby and yes, Australian rugby, is in good hands.

First of all, congratulations on recently becoming engaged!

Thank you very much! It worked out awesome, while Lucy and I were down in Tasmania, I popped the question and luckily enough, she said yes! 

How cool has it been, having the Wallabies hub up here at Ballymore?

Yeah, having the Wallabies hub down at Ballymore has been unreal. Obviously, we [the Reds] trained here the whole year so to have the Wallabies coming here and use our facilities, you know, it feels like another great step in the journey for us and to be at home makes it all the better. So slowly building, we haven’t gotten the results we wanted this year as a as the Wallabies, but we've done it a little bit differently this year where we haven't been in camp as such down at the Gold Coast or Sanctuary Cove where we usually are. We've split it up so we've had more time with our families… we did pre-season with the Reds last week and then trained first time with the Wallabies coaches Thursday and then today. So it's been really good.

What are some of the key things you've been working on with the wider squad?   

Well, the first week after the last Bledisloe, I just had a week off fully, just to get away from footy, reenergise and freshen up. That was kind of just a mental break that I thought I needed. But for me personally, I'm just working on my fitness. We did a 1.2 Test today, I thought I did all right. So I've been working on that and then just my skills. I want to get better at my passing and my kicking so that hopefully I can start to work my way back into that 9 jersey for the Wallabies.

What’s Joe like to work with?

Yeah, he's awesome. He's very different to a lot of the other coaches.  Him and Les have have worked together in the past, they've got similar mannerisms, but they see the game a little bit differently.  But I've enjoyed Joe's coaching.

He's huge on the fundamentals around your ball carry, your ball place and your general skill set and I think if we stay on his course, we're going to get a lot better. We've just got to be a little bit more consistent and the only way you can get the consistency of of your fundamentals is if you work really hard in these these blocks where there’s not games, because it's hard to grind away on your craft in a game week. So time off like this is is incredibly valuable. 

I’d love to talk about this years Super Rugby season, while I’ve got you.

It’s been a cracking year for the Reds. How do you feel the team has improved in 2024?

Yeah, I feel like we've just evolved, to be honest. We always had probably the right ingredients. We just could never put it all together on the day and sometimes we could and then the next week we couldn't.  And there was a couple of times we did that this year, but overall I thought we were a hell of a lot better.  The forwards improvement was was out of this world. The amount of rolling mall tries they scored, for example, three against Wales, it's incredible to see how those forwards coaches, Fish and Zane Hilton n particular, how much improvement they got out of the boys, because it was a relatively similar squad with the inclusion of guys like Guppy and also the big man Jeff. Yeah, so their experience around a younger group of forwards was invaluable for us. And yeah, it was awesome to have them with us. But yeah, I think the way that the backs stood up, guys like HMP and Tom Lynagh, they steered the boys around well. Hunter and Flooky had great seasons, Jock at the back was always solid.

And then also guys like Kalani [Thomas] and Louis [Werchon], to see them playing and playing well, particularly against the Kiwi sides, when I got red-carded, they were fantastic. So yeah, it's just great to see that in Queensland. We're a really healthy squad. We've got great depth and we've also got great coaches and are building to get better every day.

That does link to my next question, which was who's a young player that you want to shout out who are coming through and working hard this season?

I might lock in two. I reckon John Bryant's been brilliant and he's he's been rewarded with selection in this hub. Whether he comes on the Wallaby Spring Tour or he does the Reds Japanese games and then goes to play in the Aus A fixtures, I think it'll be a great reward for him because he's been putting his hand up week in, week out. He had a couple games off the bench, a couple of starts and he was solid as for us. So it's great to see him playing some footy and playing well too.

Catching up with Tate, circa 2019

And also his good mate, HMP [Harry McL-Phillips]. Two Souths boys and Harry played a little bit at the start and then had to go over and play all Aus 20s and then didn't play a hell of a lot when he came back.  But he's been rewarded in this camp as well and and he's been training really well. So I wouldn't be surprised if we see him in some sort of gold jersey as well, which is great to see. Those two young fellows are going to be, you know, corners of our future really.

What was your personal highlight of the Reds 2024 season?

Personal highlight… I reckon it was beating the Chiefs at Suncorp. That was brilliant. Particularly when the week before, we lost a couple of key players. We lost Jordy, he got knocked out cold, Hunter got injured, so we had guys stepping in.  But yeah, the way the team played, the way they defended at the end, yeah, that's why I love the Reds, that's why I love Queensland. It was awesome to see the home fans get a taste of that. If I played in that Crusaders game, I'd probably say that'd be close to rolling it. But I watched on the sidelines. I'd say that was one of the team highlights, that Crusaders game.

What’s the number one piece of advice you would have for young rugby players that are hoping to some day play rugby professionally, both boys and girls?

I reckon just be really clear on what you want to achieve. You know, if you have that goal at the top, whether it be Wallabies or Reds, you've just got to work out exactly what you want to be good at, what your point of difference is going to be and then how you're going to get good at those things. I think obviously you've got to probably sacrifice things here and there, it's a lot of hard work, but it's worth it for the reward you get at the end. So I think I think that would be my thing. Enjoy your footy and and work hard. 

Thanks, Tate for making time. I know it's been a very busy week.

No worries at all, thanks for having me. Legend.

The Reds Kick-off for an official capped game against the Saitama Panasonic Wild Knights in Kumagaya, on November 4. Tate and the Wallabies kick-off their spring tour of Europe soon after that on Novemeber 10th in London!

Living it up in Queensland: A Cool Conversation with Reds Winger Lachie Anderson

Several weeks back, after a tough training session at Ballymore, I met one of the new members of our team. I knew it was Lachie who’d recently come from the Rebels. I was super keen to organise an interview and welcome him to Brisbane!

Last week was a busier week at Ballymore than most. Players had travelled from around Australia to join Joe Schmidt and his coaching staff for what was termed the “Wallabies Hub”! Lachie Anderson was a part of the two day event, but still made time to catch up with me on Thursday. I hope you enjoy reading our chat….

Hey Lachie, I know you’ve been here a few months, but still I want to say welcome to Queensland! What are you loving most about being here? I know training just got a little bit hotter.

Thank you! Yeah, probably the sun. The weather up north is obviously a lot warmer. So it's good to good to get up here and get a bit more to the beach in the warmer climate… I missed that the last few years. A bit of vitamin D is good - and trying to work on the tan a bit (laughs).

What are you loving most about being around the crew here at Ballymore?

It's just a really good energy with the group at the moment. Like obviously we've got, you know, world class facilities. You've got a group of boys that have been together now for a couple of years, I think there's a strong culture in the locker room and there's a real good buzz about the place at the moment. I think the direction that rugby is going in Queensland is good at the moment. So I’m stoked to be a part of that and hopefully I can contribute both on and off the field into that kind of rugby landscape.

You’ve been training with the Wallabies at their “hub” at Ballymore this week. I was just watching you on field with some of the squad just earlier today. How has the experience been? 

Yeah, it's been awesome. You know, I think the more exposure you get to the programme and what they're doing up top, you give yourself the best chance to grow and get better, especially this time of year when you're not necessarily playing as many games, you know, it's awesome to test yourself in a different environment with different players. It's been a big couple days, but they're really enjoying it and I’m lucky to be doing it again here in Queensland at our new home. That's also been awesome.

So it’s starting to feel a little bit like home?

Yeah, it’s starting to feel like home now - we’ve moved into a house now - that definitely makes a big difference… when you're in your own place you can go back to, you're not living out of a suitcase and that sort of thing… I think that makes it a bit more homey and stuff. So that's made a big difference.

I’m glad you feel at home now. Who would you shout out from the Reds that’s been training hard in the lead up to the Japan tour?

Oooh, a shout out... I'll go big Ryan Smith.

He's just had his little one and he's functioning on about two hours sleep and training the house down. You wouldn't know that he's a new dad and barely sleeping. He’s been bringing the energy, so I'll give him a big dad shout out!

I love hearing about peoples rugby journeys. How old were you when you started playing?

I played my first game when I was four years old, I played in my brother's team, my dad was the coach in Sydney… I played in under sixes and then I've played every year since that.

I grew up in Sydney, played rugby all through school and then fortunately enough as a 17 year old I think, maybe 18, I got picked up with the rugby sevens guys and did a couple years travelling around with them. I loved my time there and travelled to some pretty cool parts of the world. And, you know, the Commonwealth games and the Olympic Games is pretty special and I transitioned from there to down to Melbourne. And again, I just loved my time down there and, you know, another different part of the world, another city and now my journey's taken me up here. So it's been good to kind of bounce up and down the coastline a bit and experience different cities. 

It's been a crazy journey up to this point, but I probably wouldn't change a thing. It's been awesome.

What was your favourite part of the experience of representing Australia at the Olympics in 2021?

Probably being in the village with all the different athletes from other sports, exchanging stories and hearing about how they go about their training, what they do and what excites them. Being part of that kind of “team Australia” and being in a different environment as opposed to just the rugby training room. That was pretty cool.

What do you love most about playing Rugby Sevens?

Probably the travel I got to do as a young fella. I went to a lot of parts of the world that I probably wouldn't have had a chance to go to otherwise. I managed to sneak in an Oktoberfest over there once as a cool work trip, yeah, I was eighteen, nineteen, travelling around the world playing rugby with my mates and I was just loving it. So hands down that was easily the highlight.

What did you love most about your Sevens experience, on the field?

Probably the Hong Kong tournament, that was wild. The atmosphere over there - it was probably the loudest stadium we've ever played in! They go crazy and that was awesome to be a part of. It’s a pretty prestigious tournament, so to be able to tick that off was unreal. 

Yes, I have watched a few of them! What do you love about the fifteen man game, that made you want to focus solely on it?

Probably just that it was the game I grew up playing, so I fell in love with it. And I definitely had aspirations to try and play for the Wallabies one day. And I still have goals in that code that I wanted to to achieve and I always knew that eventually I wanted to come back and try and do those things. So I think that was a a big ticket for me, trying to try to get back into Fifteens.

Final question: what’s your favourite post-game meal?

Post game meal… maybe a couple of cold beers after a win. They always go down pretty nice. I’ll have to change over to a Four X now, so I guess a Four X Gold now I'm up here!

Thanks Lachie for taking time to chat, especially in the middle of a busy training week!!!

No dramas at all. Good to finally sit down with you and have a have a good catch up.  Appreciate it!